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. >> jack lew served in the clinton administration. i think he worked in the omb in the, you know, office of management of the budget. and he was one of the key players in helping pass the repeal of glass-steagall. and, you know, this is kind of the way it works. it's not a one to one, you know, obvious connection. but, you know, glass-steagall was repealed specifically to legalize the merger of citigroup. and, you know, coincidentally bob rubin, who was the treasury secretary and jack lew end up working at citigroup five, ten years later. and they make enormous amounts of money. and then they go back to government. and again, this is just sort of this merry-go-round that everybody in washington knows about. and that's the way it works. >> how do you explain president obama's attitude in this? when he was running for president, he promised the close the revolving door. and he seemed genuinely shocked at the collapse of the financial system and the banks' role in it. but he also was raking in massive campaign contributions from these ve
. >> jack lew served in the clinton administration. i think he worked in the omb in the, you know, office of management of the budget. and he was one of the key players in helping pass the repeal of glass-steagall. and, you know, this is kind of the way it works. it's not a one to one, you know, obvious connection. but, you know, glass-steagall was repealed specifically to legalize the merger of citigroup. and, you know, coincidentally bob rubin, who was the treasury secretary and jack...
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clinton will honor the holiday by observing a moment of silence. expected to last the entire evening. chris: and when we come back, barack obama replaced troops on the ground with drones in the sky. >> the administration also puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we provide. >> i will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining our constitution and our freedom. chris: boy, he's gotten older, hasn't he? that was president obama as a candidate in 2007, running hard against the legacy of the bush-cheney foreign policy. at issue now today the 700% rampup of drone strikes under obama. there have been 350 under obama, largely in pakistan. a key question is blowback, no one knows how many untargeted civilians have been killed by drone strikes or the damage to winning hearts and mind over there. the effect of blowback is a central theme in the television series "homeland" where the main character goes from captured marine to t
clinton will honor the holiday by observing a moment of silence. expected to last the entire evening. chris: and when we come back, barack obama replaced troops on the ground with drones in the sky. >> the administration also puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we provide. >> i will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining our constitution and our...
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he was -- close to the clinton administration and worked with the bush demonstration. he is doing 23 years in prison. what would be the prospect the someone's gets back into the country and, -- someone gets back into the country and, from a political standpoint, they are all rest -- he starts talking about -- their arrest could be politically embarrassing. what if you have someone working closely with the president. we had a member of a known terrorist organization meeting in the white house last year it even though secretary napolitano could not answer that she even knew that was happening when it was in the papers. by the time she gets into the city and she says he was vetted 3 tons. there are things that could be proven so politically embarrassing that if somebody gets back into the lead to states, someone might look for a way to see that they never testify. we are talking hypothetically. i would like to know what of the possibilities of something like that happening. >> nothing in the administration's white paper suggests that would be lawful. i would hope that in
he was -- close to the clinton administration and worked with the bush demonstration. he is doing 23 years in prison. what would be the prospect the someone's gets back into the country and, -- someone gets back into the country and, from a political standpoint, they are all rest -- he starts talking about -- their arrest could be politically embarrassing. what if you have someone working closely with the president. we had a member of a known terrorist organization meeting in the white house...
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in the 1990s when bill clinton said there's an election based on that, it was the house and senate that legislative sanctions on iran, the push for, like it or not, freedom for the iraqi people to push for sanctions on cuba, to push her more engagement and exactly which are talking about, that really pushed for in a relationship with india. i could go on and on. nato expansion. all the things taken for granted but not in initiative. they're members of congress on capitol hill who change the world in a very meaningful way and that's still an opportunity if we recognize we need to care about. sorry for that little speech. >> how do we know kind of the counterterrorism, is very much her? [inaudible] >> the question is how do we know when we've won? >> were in no danger of women anytime soon. this has become a sugarless because it's a fair question obviously. what you measure for success and how do we know when we stopped, and that we are so far away from that now a more further away than when this president took office in the policies he's recommending will take us further and further from
in the 1990s when bill clinton said there's an election based on that, it was the house and senate that legislative sanctions on iran, the push for, like it or not, freedom for the iraqi people to push for sanctions on cuba, to push her more engagement and exactly which are talking about, that really pushed for in a relationship with india. i could go on and on. nato expansion. all the things taken for granted but not in initiative. they're members of congress on capitol hill who change the...
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as hillary clinton learned, it's a closely held hold on policy. >> john kerry was sort of a shadow secretary of state as far as the democratic few. he was pair laying the democratic and obama white house message, but he was working with the state department, with the white house. he saw that he was likely to get the nomination or hoped he would get the nomination, so he does have that great experience. he has basically done a great part of this job already and now going in, he feels pretty well prepared perhaps compared to other people who have a lot to learn about different regions of the world. >> what is your gaming the bay stakes bo stakes politics left behind? you have ed markey on the democratic side, but he's especially dofrsed by not only kerry, but by all the campaign committees. is he the heir apparent? >> ed markey is being faced by another member, steven lynch. so you have these two members presumably friends now going after each other. on the republican side, scott brown decided not seek the seat he held briefly. other republicans were thinking about whether they would get this.
as hillary clinton learned, it's a closely held hold on policy. >> john kerry was sort of a shadow secretary of state as far as the democratic few. he was pair laying the democratic and obama white house message, but he was working with the state department, with the white house. he saw that he was likely to get the nomination or hoped he would get the nomination, so he does have that great experience. he has basically done a great part of this job already and now going in, he feels...
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he has to keep working because he's the only one who can get rid of the roaches people like hillary clinton who support funding brutal jihad as rebel groups to overthrow governments to somehow bring about stability and democracy are either dismally stupid or consciously running a very brutal con game but that's just my opinion. hello and welcome to cross talk all things considered i'm peter lavelle the nobel peace prize winner and his drones the recently week number on the obama administration's use of drones has shocked many in the world and others it begs more questions than answers it would appear the white house is acting as judge jury and execution. or obama can kill anyone anywhere without any oversight or accountability. to cross-talk obama and his drones i'm joined by no sharkey in london he is a professor of artificial intelligence and robots at the university of sheffield and chairman of the international committee for robot arms control in charlottesville we have david swanson he is an author in radio host who works for roots action dot org all right gentlemen cross talk groups i
he has to keep working because he's the only one who can get rid of the roaches people like hillary clinton who support funding brutal jihad as rebel groups to overthrow governments to somehow bring about stability and democracy are either dismally stupid or consciously running a very brutal con game but that's just my opinion. hello and welcome to cross talk all things considered i'm peter lavelle the nobel peace prize winner and his drones the recently week number on the obama...
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then secretary of state clinton and then head of c.i.a. general petraeus that we provide weapons to the resistance in syria? did you support that? >> we did. >> you did support that. >> we did. >> suarez: so far, the president's judgment has been that things won't get better with american arms. instead, he's warned the weapons might fall into the hands of extremist elements, a concern reiterated today by the new secretary of state, who was asked about the deliberations last year. >> i don't know what the discussions were in the white house and i'm not going backwards. the new administration, we're going forward from this point. there are serious questions about al nusra and a.q.i.-- al qaeda in iraq-- and other violent groups on ground. >> suarez: those groups are among the most effective fighters against the assad regime. they include jabhat al nusra, which the u.s. has declared a terrorist organization. but last november, a top rebel commander in northern syria, colonel abdul jabaar al aikidi, told "the newshour's" margaret warner the u.
then secretary of state clinton and then head of c.i.a. general petraeus that we provide weapons to the resistance in syria? did you support that? >> we did. >> you did support that. >> we did. >> suarez: so far, the president's judgment has been that things won't get better with american arms. instead, he's warned the weapons might fall into the hands of extremist elements, a concern reiterated today by the new secretary of state, who was asked about the deliberations...
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. >> bill clinton went on "larry king" and mtv and we complained that he was -- >> the problem is that rachel maddow and those who say this is no big deal, they are enabling the next guy to be even worse. >> did rachel maddow get a private audience with the president? >> exactly right. >> that's outrageous that statement from her, howie. i think that is outrageous. >> no one, yeah, we do care a rats, but we care ten rats about that. >> she was putting it in the form of a question. should the public care whether or not journalists have access to some of these more routine events? bill, you're making the point, it's not just a golf game he could fall and break his leg or whatever. but at the same time, i think to a lot of folks, let's be honest here, looks like self-interested pleading on the part of the white house press corps. >> this is not as much about us as it is about what the public gets to know and who tells them. the white house can tell them, but do you always trust the white house or do you want a somewhat disinterested outside view? >> howie, you know, this week we had a gre
. >> bill clinton went on "larry king" and mtv and we complained that he was -- >> the problem is that rachel maddow and those who say this is no big deal, they are enabling the next guy to be even worse. >> did rachel maddow get a private audience with the president? >> exactly right. >> that's outrageous that statement from her, howie. i think that is outrageous. >> no one, yeah, we do care a rats, but we care ten rats about that. >> she was...
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did you speak with secretary clinton about that? >> senator, as i mentioned, we covered 281 fleets -- threats of one kind or another to deal with that. it's not our responsibility. >> well, i just want to add my straightforward question, i think, and, particular to both of you, particularly, to general dempsey, said you were aware of the cables. did you ever bring it to secretary clinton's attention given that it said from her ambassador that the consulate could not withstand an attack, yes or no? >> the cable was to the state department, not me. >> i understand, but you were aware of it. it's an important cable, and you said you were aware of the deteriorating security situation. >> as a result of the meetings. >> but you did not bring it to secretary clinton? >> i did not. >> did you bring it to the president's attention, either of you? >> no. >> no. >> let me -- based on the deteriorating security situation, we have a map that has the potential military bases in the area as i understand it. we have f-16s is that true? >> that's c
did you speak with secretary clinton about that? >> senator, as i mentioned, we covered 281 fleets -- threats of one kind or another to deal with that. it's not our responsibility. >> well, i just want to add my straightforward question, i think, and, particular to both of you, particularly, to general dempsey, said you were aware of the cables. did you ever bring it to secretary clinton's attention given that it said from her ambassador that the consulate could not withstand an...
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did you speak to secretary clinton about that? >> center, and ctc had identified almost 281 threats of one kind or another. to deal with that, that is not our responsibility -- >> you said you were aware of the cable. you ever bring it to secretary clinton's attention, yes or no? >> the cable was to the state department, not to me. >> that you are aware of it. you said you were aware of the deteriorating security situation. >> as a result of our meetings -- >> you did not bring it to the attention of secretary clinton? >> i did not. >> either of you? >> no. >> based on the deteriorating security situation, we have this map that has the potential military bases in the area. as i understand it, we have f- 16s. is that true? >> that's correct. >> where they deployed at night -- where they deployed at night -- were they deployed that night? >> no. they are there as part of our commitment to nato and europe. as we look at the timeline, it was pretty clear that it would take up to 20 hours or so to get them there. secondly, it was the w
did you speak to secretary clinton about that? >> center, and ctc had identified almost 281 threats of one kind or another. to deal with that, that is not our responsibility -- >> you said you were aware of the cable. you ever bring it to secretary clinton's attention, yes or no? >> the cable was to the state department, not to me. >> that you are aware of it. you said you were aware of the deteriorating security situation. >> as a result of our meetings --...
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we've been very fortunate to have the support for secretary clinton for the first year of our existing and now what we are finding that only been in a handful of meetings with secretary kerry, but in every one of the meanings, he has said, or bring the ideas. give me some out-of-the-box thinking. we've got to find another way of doing some of these things. i am hoping our bureau can be a very aggressive supplier of ideas in different ways of doing things. i think if we come up with good ideas, will have influence on policy. will be invited to the rate means that we will be seen as a valuable instrument of change for u.s. foreign policy. i know that is the case at the embassies we are working with. i don't know how many of you have for the state department -- [laughter] i'm probably not begin in a totally foreign language here. but you would understand we've got to do it one day at a time and occasionally with the big idea. one day at a time -- this is kind of a digression, but two or three months ago when i was in a relatively stressful time, i thought, why am i doing this job? i thoug
we've been very fortunate to have the support for secretary clinton for the first year of our existing and now what we are finding that only been in a handful of meetings with secretary kerry, but in every one of the meanings, he has said, or bring the ideas. give me some out-of-the-box thinking. we've got to find another way of doing some of these things. i am hoping our bureau can be a very aggressive supplier of ideas in different ways of doing things. i think if we come up with good ideas,...
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>> one thing i can say about secretary clinton. she could not have had a clear eyed understanding of the threats what he face in benghazi, libya if she didn't know of the august 16 memo from ambassador chris stevens saying we can't defend the place against a coordinated terrorist attack and al qaeda flags are flying all over benghazi. her statement that the state department had a clear idea of the threat makes no sense. if we are getting cables from our ambassadors throughout the world, we can't defend consulates, we are in trouble. martha: let's talk about the drone program. i want to ask you about what you think. i know you are supportive of the president's drone program as you were of president bush's take on the war on terror. do you think john brennan will be pressed on this issue and what about the hypocrisy leveled against those who were anti-president bush's war on terror and have no problem with the drone program. >> the hypocrisy is stunning. the drone program to kill high-level al qaeda operatives serves our fashion secu
>> one thing i can say about secretary clinton. she could not have had a clear eyed understanding of the threats what he face in benghazi, libya if she didn't know of the august 16 memo from ambassador chris stevens saying we can't defend the place against a coordinated terrorist attack and al qaeda flags are flying all over benghazi. her statement that the state department had a clear idea of the threat makes no sense. if we are getting cables from our ambassadors throughout the world,...
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telling people about things since the clinton impeachment -- >> they're already inlaid in the people. >> john: they have lots of great, real newspeople. there are great newspeople in the daytime hours. the evening is telling folks who has been wrong about anyone since nixon that they've been right about everything. >> they have one too many blonds whose hair looks breakable. >> john: they lost sarah palin, the only nonblond they had. >> of all of the columns i wrote in the three years that are represented there, the one line that people quote from all of the columns is one about her. >> john: what was it? >> she seems to have no first language. >> john: would you say she's the perfect celebrity for our age? ronald reagan went from celebrity to politics. she used politics to try to become a celebrity. >> yes, it works both ways. and no one knows why. i stood once in the pressroom of the white house and heard the president of the united states, ronald reagan, do eight to ten jokes about me written for the press, it was press night. it was the strangest sensation. well, dick be's getting
telling people about things since the clinton impeachment -- >> they're already inlaid in the people. >> john: they have lots of great, real newspeople. there are great newspeople in the daytime hours. the evening is telling folks who has been wrong about anyone since nixon that they've been right about everything. >> they have one too many blonds whose hair looks breakable. >> john: they lost sarah palin, the only nonblond they had. >> of all of the columns i...
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charge. >> was secretary clinton in charge? >> the people in charge were the ambassador there . >> but they can't, you know, they were trying to save their lives. they weren't in charge. >> that's . >> somebody had to be in charge of coordinating assistance. was it you, the secretary of state, or the president? who was in charge? >> i think we're all in charge. in the sense of trying to . >> did you move the forces as quickly as possible to save lives. >> right. did you talk to secretary clinton at all that night september 11th? .. aye do either one of view understand some of the frustrations we have? this is the first time in 30 years we've lost control of an ambassador who in whom though small deal. i will come just conclude mr. chairman by saying finally do you know what the president knew of these final in march, april, june? by what this committee to continue to ask questions about the president knew before and we are we to call other people. thank you very much mr. chairman. >> senator, if i could just add we share your f
charge. >> was secretary clinton in charge? >> the people in charge were the ambassador there . >> but they can't, you know, they were trying to save their lives. they weren't in charge. >> that's . >> somebody had to be in charge of coordinating assistance. was it you, the secretary of state, or the president? who was in charge? >> i think we're all in charge. in the sense of trying to . >> did you move the forces as quickly as possible to save lives....
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part of that, and now as secretary of state knowing the world. >> biden or clinton? >> i'd like to see which of the harbaugh brothers come out on top. >> gentlemen, thank you both for being here. >> thank you, chuck. good to see you. >> as secretary panetta prepares to leave government service again, we spent some additional time with him on press pass to talk about that long career as a congressman, budget director, white house chief of staff, and director of the cia. he also weighs in on what the current issue of "time" magazine calls the rise of the drones, and he has some surprising suggestions for the president going forward. you can watch the full interview on our website, that's at meetthepress@msnbc.com. >>> coming up, the hagel confirmation hearing. was it political grandstanding or a poor performance? plus, what led the white house to release this photo of the president? apparently skeet shooting on his birthday last year. i'll ask former obama white house press secretary robert gibbs when he joined the rest of our roundtable. ralph reed former national his
part of that, and now as secretary of state knowing the world. >> biden or clinton? >> i'd like to see which of the harbaugh brothers come out on top. >> gentlemen, thank you both for being here. >> thank you, chuck. good to see you. >> as secretary panetta prepares to leave government service again, we spent some additional time with him on press pass to talk about that long career as a congressman, budget director, white house chief of staff, and director of the...
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for your second term you're already a lame duck, how many stories have we already seen about hillary clinton in 2016 and who the republican potential candidates are going to be in 2016? that's a part of it. but i do think this is a white house that recognizes the reality of a divided congress in this polarized environment. i was looking back at the vote to ban assault weapons in 1994. back then you had 46 republicans who supported that ban. that's a remarkable thing. in this day and age you get 46 republicans to support president obama on anything, even if it was i love cookies day they wouldn't support it. so those republicans are gone. moderate democrats are gone. the pl president knows that in order to get something done in congress he's going to have to centrally be able to push it through whether there's an executive order or the only thing that will pass is something that republicanss can support because republicans are the ones who control congress. at the end of the day here's what i think is somewhat interesting. for republicans in congress these issues, guns and immigration, make t
for your second term you're already a lame duck, how many stories have we already seen about hillary clinton in 2016 and who the republican potential candidates are going to be in 2016? that's a part of it. but i do think this is a white house that recognizes the reality of a divided congress in this polarized environment. i was looking back at the vote to ban assault weapons in 1994. back then you had 46 republicans who supported that ban. that's a remarkable thing. in this day and age you get...
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you can't get through the brennamans, the clappers, the hillary clinton's you can't get through the bob gates and leon panettas and penetrate that bubble and say do you understand what you're doing both to american civil liberties and rest of the world's appreciation with america with these increased drone strikes that seem to have an endless visit at a for future. >> that brings up a bunch of questions. first, do you think president obama is in that bubble that colonel wilkerson is talking about? >> it seems to be. i can tell you, i was extraordinary disappointed. i campaigned for president obama and voted for him again this time, because he was the lesser of the two evils it seemed. with president bush, you could look at him and say he doesn't know any better. president obama knows better, but despite his losty rhetoric about restoring america's reputation and upholding the rule of law there's been little effort in that reward. >> john brennan was aware of the c.i.a. program. president obama wanted him to oh be head right away. he loved this had guy from the get go. but every time bre
you can't get through the brennamans, the clappers, the hillary clinton's you can't get through the bob gates and leon panettas and penetrate that bubble and say do you understand what you're doing both to american civil liberties and rest of the world's appreciation with america with these increased drone strikes that seem to have an endless visit at a for future. >> that brings up a bunch of questions. first, do you think president obama is in that bubble that colonel wilkerson is...
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but then this afternoon, president clinton's former white house physician, dr. connie mariano, was quoted by cnn as saying, i'm worried about this man dying in office. at an afternoon press conference in new jersey, the governor chose to then get serious on the topic of his 30-year struggle with his weight. >> so far, up to 50 years old, i've been remarkably healthy. and, you know, my doctor continues to warn me that my luck is going to run out relatively soon, so believe me, it's something that i'm very conscious of. >> the governor said last night and today, that like all people who struggle with weight, he thinks about it constantly, and it's a major topic of conversation in his family. >>> a bizarre video has been posted on youtube by north korea, including some disturbing images set to a gauzy rendition of "we are the world." it's a propaganda video that seems to be part dream sequence, part video game. it shows a missile launch and then later what appears to be new york city in flames. >>> back in the real world, we're back with our "making a difference" r
but then this afternoon, president clinton's former white house physician, dr. connie mariano, was quoted by cnn as saying, i'm worried about this man dying in office. at an afternoon press conference in new jersey, the governor chose to then get serious on the topic of his 30-year struggle with his weight. >> so far, up to 50 years old, i've been remarkably healthy. and, you know, my doctor continues to warn me that my luck is going to run out relatively soon, so believe me, it's...
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about, who is actually putting ideas on the table and who is the most credible challenger to hillary clinton in 2016, it's our guys, not karl rove's guys. >> let me give you a tangible example of the future from just today's newspaper. a candidate that perhaps karl rove will steer away from. paul broun, the georgia congressman running to replace saxby chambliss, and "the times" pointed out today, quote, mr. broun, a physician on the house science, space, and technology committee, attracted attention last fall for saying that, quote, evolution, embryology, and the big bang theory, all of that is lies straight from the pit of hell. i'll bet that plays well in his congressional district, but my hunch is that's not playing well even in a conservative state like georgia when you're talking statewide in the general. what do you say? >> well, of course, paul is going to get a lot of competition in that primary fight. you're going to be looking at guys like tom price and tom graves who have an incredibly strong record of fiscal conservatism. i think the core of the tea party, remember, is not social
about, who is actually putting ideas on the table and who is the most credible challenger to hillary clinton in 2016, it's our guys, not karl rove's guys. >> let me give you a tangible example of the future from just today's newspaper. a candidate that perhaps karl rove will steer away from. paul broun, the georgia congressman running to replace saxby chambliss, and "the times" pointed out today, quote, mr. broun, a physician on the house science, space, and technology...
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did you ever speak with secretary clinton about that? >> senator, you know, as i mentioned in my testimony, nctc had identified almost 281 facilities that were under threat of one kind or another. and to deal with that, i mean, that's not our responsibility. that's the state department's responsibility. >> i would add my straightforward question, particularly to general dempsey, you said you were aware of the cable, did you ever bring it to secretary clinton's attention given that it said from her ambassador that the consulate could not with stand a coordinated attack? yes or no? >> did not. the cable was to the state department. not to me. >> i understand. but you were aware of it. it's a pretty important cable and you said you were also aware of the deteriorating security situation. >> as a result of our meetings on the counter-- >> but did you bring it to secretary clinton? >> i did not. >> did you ever bring it to the president's attention either of you? >> no. >> no. >> ok. based on the deteriorating security situation, we have this
did you ever speak with secretary clinton about that? >> senator, you know, as i mentioned in my testimony, nctc had identified almost 281 facilities that were under threat of one kind or another. and to deal with that, i mean, that's not our responsibility. that's the state department's responsibility. >> i would add my straightforward question, particularly to general dempsey, you said you were aware of the cable, did you ever bring it to secretary clinton's attention given that...
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next is robert, clinton, maryland on our line for democrats. caller: i do not mean to put anybody down. one thing about conservatives is they never quit. no matter what happens, they do not change. the economy could have been worse if president obama had not initiated the stimulants -- stimulus to help save the economy. we were in a tailspin. republicans he stored the economy. this man comes along and side decides to save it. they are still fighting him. that sequestration deal -- this will completely destroy the economy. we need to spend money to exist. in the u.s., you just cannot stop spending money. if you do, it will be the end of us. these people are haters. they are not going to change the way they think. thank god there are enough people in this country who think progressively. maybe we can turn this economy around and help america. have a nice day. host: robert brings up the sequestration. we will talk about that later with ray locker of "usa today." he will talk about the sequestration's effect on defense spending. that will be and ab
next is robert, clinton, maryland on our line for democrats. caller: i do not mean to put anybody down. one thing about conservatives is they never quit. no matter what happens, they do not change. the economy could have been worse if president obama had not initiated the stimulants -- stimulus to help save the economy. we were in a tailspin. republicans he stored the economy. this man comes along and side decides to save it. they are still fighting him. that sequestration deal -- this will...
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well, let's just compare senator kerry and senator hagel to senator hillary clinton and bob gates. by that standard, both of the nominees -- they are not independent thinkers and they have no track record either legislating in the intellectual sense or advancing important ideas or on international politics. but the underlying cause is the president's lack of interest in these issues. >> yes, i have another part of this discussion. the republican party is now focused on trying to be responsible about what kind of physical environments we leave to our children and grandchildren. which i think is good in general terms. so we are very worried about the deficit. and also what kind of deficit will we will be leaving to our heirs. there is a national security deficit that is growing and that will continue to grow. it is a particularly american conceit of the world goes away or stops when we stop paying attention to it. the fact of the matter is that the problems that we see in the world will not go away or if we don't cost them by looking at them and we can't stop them by ignoring them. t
well, let's just compare senator kerry and senator hagel to senator hillary clinton and bob gates. by that standard, both of the nominees -- they are not independent thinkers and they have no track record either legislating in the intellectual sense or advancing important ideas or on international politics. but the underlying cause is the president's lack of interest in these issues. >> yes, i have another part of this discussion. the republican party is now focused on trying to be...